savandra-videos-for-monero
Hello guys,
It's savandra, who created animated explainer videos,
here's a link to our channel.
I contacted u/dsmlegend, https://www.reddit.com/u/dsmlegend/ and he developed an awesome draft of probably anything that should be covered on the topic (though it's a bit business-focused).
Here's a link to the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TIhaJwy81lNxo-w9ySQIV8Ycp_kaWl5DLWqIgHsfHug/edit
I'd like to add, that since then, we improved on the animations a lot and we hope Monero will benefit from it!
Our proposal is to be billed per minute of the animation, which covers:
The price split:
10% script development (price for mngm the community-sourced script):
30% illustrations development
50% animations
5% voice-over actor
5% sound effects
UPD: We changed the price for per minute to per video, so 2 XMR per video would result into $400 per minute roughly. This includes:
It is expected to complete one video a month An expiration date for the proposal: June, 7
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hey @hinto , thanks! there are discussions on a reddit topic about the price being too expensive, so I'm thinking of changing it from 1k per minute to 2k per video which would be roughly $400 per minute in result
Glad to see you around again. Taking a cursory look over your reddit profile history, seems like you are the same person that created such videos years ago. Is there any chance you can offer further verification? Such as a PGP-signed message on gist.github.com while logged in as savandra on GitHub, for example. Can be something else if you are not too familiar with the workflow. You know... "don't trust, verify."
If adjusting the price is on the table, that definitely should be mulled over to compel more potential donors, in my humble opinion. Thanks for considering community members' feedback.
@rottenwheel It seems like I have to install PGP through the terminal like a rea world coder, right?
https://gist.github.com/savandra/828e601db0f834eb218914f6b4339330
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@savandra I think I am good with this! Thanks. Gist comes from your GitHub account. An attacker would've hacked both reddit and GitHub handles by now. Your reddit history backs the story up, either way. Still, it is nice to run some further "verification"; better safe than sorrry, they say.
Couple tutorials, one on desktop with Windows + Kleopatra and the other on Android with OpenKeyChain. In case you'd like to give it a shot, so you learn how it works and have some fun. (i) Windows; Android.
Hey guys, we've posted an updated series overview on reddit. Looking forward to your feedback!
mentioned in commit 2cb99227
Hey guys! Posted a new style proposal on reddit here. Let me know your thoughts!
Savandra, im going to share some feedback here (disclaimer: some is taken from what others have said, but consider it my own, as they have not shared it here or granted me permission to do so, however, i agree with it all) i will try to keep it brief.
I know an animatic is meant as a concept / not the final product, and judging by your recent update, where you shared that you need help with the videos. I'm not sure how close the animatic is to the final product so if i tell you 'i found the eye ball bag of flesh in a cage grotesque and unrelated to Monero' this might not be useful feedback?
The video seems to diverge from the 'google docs draft' (written by dsmlegend) - i think you need to post the actual script for any upcoming videos here (just as Moneroguides has done in the past) to make sure the information is accurate and reviewed.
Some thoughts on the animatic:
- I don't understand what that video is supposed to teach?
- "adopt monero for your business" was mentioned twice. Is that intentional?
- Introduction promised simple guides, which weren't there, like at all. I'd expect a step by step tutorial or at least links with further information
- "Participants must follow rules" - This sounds like people actively need to follow rules, while in reality the software followed the rules and makes sure others follow the rules too
- "Is different because it doesn't require a central bank" - This has been said seconds before
- "Confidentiality" is pronounced weird, or sounds weird, why not use "privacy" instead
- "monero uses its own currency, called monero" - Obviously
- "preserve independence from sovereign states" - merchants might not care about this, or maybe even interpret it as legally problematic.
- "the currency is virtual" - supply is briefly mentioned, but any viewer has to ask themselves how unlimited supply is achieved / tail emission.
- video ends abruptly, without actionable steps. the viewer was promised easy adoption, but only got confusion.
- The term "cryptocurrency" was never mentioned, so it doesn't sound like the other scam token projects, which is a positive.
Technical feedback that i have seen:
- You should look into de-noising using PBR for things like coins to make them 3D.
- for example that usd cent would have looked better if it were PBR.
So moving forward - communication is key - i want to see regular updates (ideally here and/or at community meetings) to see if you are getting the help you need / review the script(s) / choice of voice actor / view small clips to check their quality.
Originally this was rated at 1000$/minute, 9 months later, i see "i've jut realised i need help" - this is unacceptable.
Hello Everyone! thank you for the feedback. I think my lack of communication skills caused these problems with the initial development. I mistakenly assumed posting the scripts on Reddit would be enough. I also tried to find channels to communicate and failed (I remember there was some sort of slack-IRC bridge, but I can't find it anymore). I would like to communicate every step of the project, starting with the script and all the way up to the sound design. What I want from this project is to deliver something valuable to the community and I'm looking to involve more professionals almost to the point of not really getting any profit from it. If you'd be so kind as to help me a little bit with finding the right communication channel, that'd be awesome.
Thanks
P.S. @plowsofff already showed me the way around IRC, so you'll be hearing from me shortly in there
There will be a meeting this Saturday, a great chance to share the progress you have made this week. https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/785
I haven't been able to figure out how to bring the scripts in over to here (software dev is not my trade, but then again this isn't a software project), so unless someone wants to step me through it, they currently live on this Gitlab repo: https://gitlab.com/monero-videos/monero-adoption-animated-videos
I will copy over the comments from here and reddit as issues and address them there individually. Also feel free to directly raise issues there.
Moneroguides where pro-active in obtaining feedback for their scripts - and communicated on IRC/Matrix for quicker correspondence with community members / devs / researchers (when they had a question that needed to be clarified, or needed some quicker feedback), quite autonomous / they made sure they got feedback.
Whats your plan so we're on the same page? At the moment im still @ Script 1 and i want to see animation ideas (e.g. will there be a grotesque bag of flesh in it this time) / previews / clips of video 1 / the voice over - that would be easier to focus on 1 thing at a time sequentially instead of 'feedback on everything at once'.
So we are talking about 10% of this project (the scripts), what about the other 90% @savandra ? Ideally this is 'get script one ready' -> present video ideas for that script for feedback -> a rough draft -> adjust pending final community feedback -> begin on getting script 2 ready..
10% script development (price for mngm the community-sourced script) 30% illustrations development 50% animations 5% voice-over actor 5% sound effectsYes, agree that it's best to invest the most attention into video 1 until it is completed, before looking at the others too much. That being said, having a brief read over the others would be good for context to appreciate why some things are missing from video 1 (as in, to see what does in fact get covered in later videos).
It was my impression that Reddit is the de facto primary platform for community communication, since it has the greatest reach. But, I can also hop on to Matrix since you're saying that it'll attract more engagement.
I personally have made no input to the animation at all. @savandra did not consult me for any of the ideas on the visuals, so I saw what you saw when it was put out. @savandra, perhaps we could include ideas for visuals in the scripts docs on Gitlab as well? I'm thinking to use square brackets to describe what would be shown onscreen to accompany the voice-over text. This way, we can get some more opportunity for discussion before you go through the effort of producing something which turns out to be unpopular.
